One question: Who won the Seattle city council debate?

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, and welcome to the latest edition of Seattle Nice. I'm David Hyde and

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Guess what? Erica Barnett of Publicola is also here. Hi, Erica. Here I am.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: As well as our esteemed pod colleague...

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Podly? Podly?

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: ...mate, political consultant Sandeep Kaushik. Hi, Sandeep.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, David.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a special, not exactly emergency edition of Seattle Nice,

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but a special bi-weekly edition because we had a wild night the other night at Town Hall with a fantastic

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: live audience. We started out with a vice presidential debate.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I asked at that time who won that debate, and I can't remember.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I really got much of a response out of either of you, so I'm not gonna ask it again.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That was your one chance. Nope. No, no, Sandeep. That was your one chance.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, I was just saying we moderated both debates, right? We moderated the vice presidential debate.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been good.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it seemed like most people thought the advanced one, but that audience definitely did not think that.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's the winners in the eye of the beholder.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: We're here to talk about, of course, the citywide council position eight debate where Alexis

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Mercedes-Rink versus Tanya Wu.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Alexis, Erica probably had the sort of home court advantage.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Despite that, who do you think won?

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, I mean, here's the thing with this question, David.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so hard because I go into sort of a fugue state as I am moderating debates,

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but I did go back and look at the answers in the transcript.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you know, you're right. The crowd was there for Alexis.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I personally think Alexis's answers were more cogent.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I, of course, tended to agree with her answers more, but more to the point.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just think that she performed better. She did have notes,

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: which I think is not always a good thing.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't always advantage a candidate, but I kind of felt like Tanya, you know,

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she is she is not a great public speaker,

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: but she also kind of didn't answer a lot of these questions.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I look at the answers that they each gave,

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, a lot of times she would sort of pivot away from the question

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk about her talking points like she did with, you know, homelessness,

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the laws that she's voted for because she's on the record on the council

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and, you know, and I just I just found her answer is kind of vague

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and unsatisfying on a lot of questions.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Well, OK, Sadeep, just on that content question,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no one seemed to answer questions at times,

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think Eric is right that like on points, probably Alexis did pretty well.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But when it was like your questions, Sadeep, Tanya,

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: where do you disagree with big business?

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she was not going to answer that one.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Alexis, where do you disagree with the left?

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She wouldn't answer that either, mostly because we were just watching

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: two big city machine politicians where you got Tanya sounding

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of wavery and mushy on the question of taxes for big business.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She could not even support a revenue neutral capital gains tax.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And Alexis was totally all for that, of course.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But where did she break with a progressive left on a single issue?

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't say doesn't want to piss off her backers, labor unions

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: or progressive groups. She doesn't piss off Eric a C Barnett.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was part of my takeaway, I guess, Sadeep.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: What was your main takeaway from that debate?

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think we saw two candidates running against each other

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: in the exact same political lanes or divide, you know,

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: across the exact same divide that we've seen in recent election cycles.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And both of the candidates were really focused on playing to their bases,

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: right, to their base audience.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, you know, I did ask that two part question,

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the one to Alexis about where could you find common ground with moderates

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and break with the left and to Tanya about the business community question.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I wanted to probe on, you know, is there something

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: shifting right in our sort of political fault lines?

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And as far as I could tell, they haven't shifted at all.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and Alexis didn't answer that question.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and so I think we're seeing, you know,

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: this race is taking the same shape as the races we had

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in last year and two, you know, two years ago or three years ago,

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever it took twenty twenty one.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that for to say to sort of simplify it down to

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: this is another example of the same debates that we had

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: during the last election is to kind of ignore the fact

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that we're dealing with specific candidates.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And as Tanya Wu herself pointed out,

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: she did not have a lot of support from big business.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that we we sort of saw some of the reason why

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: on display during this debate.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean by that is she is not very specific.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: She often gets points of fact wrong.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: She's clearly, you know, gotten some talking points

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: about the King County Regional Homelessness Authority,

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: which Alexis Rink worked for, you know.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And so she said things like that you came up with a 12 billion

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: dollar plan that was totally unrealistic.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And Alexis, you know, corrects her every single time.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But beyond those talking points, I think she just is,

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, incredibly, incredibly vague.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of Alexis's best moments was when she pointed

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: out that Tanya has not proposed any legislation in her eight months

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: on the council and her response was that she has something coming

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: on after hours nightclubs in the next couple of weeks,

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: which I think is a pretty pretty weak sauce.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But I just didn't when you don't have specificity and when you

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like stumble around to get the right information

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and often get it wrong.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she said that all of the progressive revenue options

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: that were proposed last year were illegal.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not true.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just simply not true.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: There were two that were, you know, that the task force found

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: could be implemented right away.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And one of them is that capital gains tax.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It just showed kind of what felt like a lack of understanding

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: of the issues.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's something that you should still

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: have at eight months in.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Just to take you back to the vice presidential debate,

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of people thought that walls looked a little dazed

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and confused kind of deer in the headlights.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And Erica sees a lot of that in Tanya Woo in this debate.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: For once, I don't think for once, I think that's totally fair.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just not just in terms of how she looked

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but really also just in terms of substance.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually think Tanya drew a contrast in that debate

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: right between her and Alexis.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You may not like the contrast, but she was drawing

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a pretty clear contrast, which is something she didn't,

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way, do in the primary.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, how crisply that was delivered

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: or, you know, how tight the contrast was.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we can, you know, I think some of those criticisms

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Erica that you're making, you know,

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: have some substance to them.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But nonetheless, the contrast there came through

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty clearly, right?

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was trying to offer at various points, Alexis,

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, is there a place where, you know, maybe you're

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of moving a little from sort of some

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of the orthodox left positions previously

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: in the earlier, a few months ago

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: after the Garfield shooting, she had to read some noises

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: about public safety and what we might do in our schools.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But she didn't take any of that bait, right?

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So it felt like we're back to our respective bunkers, right,

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: between kind of left and center.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love, Sandeep, to know what specific proposals

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you heard from Tanya Wu or like, I mean, you're sort of,

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you're doing like this high level left-right thing.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I know you would say left moderate and fine,

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but what did you get out of Tanya Wu from this debate

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that has impressed you as a representative of, you know,

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: of the more moderate left, as you put it, Sian?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, in the debate, she defended the soda and soap laws, right?

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she, I don't think the proposal

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: she's bringing forward about after-hours clubs

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is a nothing burger.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: There have been a number of shootings

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically tied to those clubs

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: in recent months in Seattle.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a problem there that she's trying to

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: legislate to fix, right, on the public safety front.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think she'd do a contrast

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: on encampment cleanups or sweeps

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever you wanna call them between her and Alexis.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that while you take Umbridge,

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and Alexis certainly took Umbridge

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: with her criticisms of King County RHA

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and the $12 billion plan, I mean, I thought there's some-

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't take Umbridge, it was an incorrect fact.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's the incorrect?

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And she was tying somebody that it wasn't a $12 billion plan

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: to stop homelessness in 10 years,

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: they were, erred five years rather,

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: they weren't asking for $12 billion.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a portion of the plan,

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and I covered this extensively at the time,

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: there was, the plan said,

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: this is what it will cost to build housing

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that is adequate, you know, during those five years

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: to meaningfully address homelessness.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't asking for that money.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And the implication, I mean, it's like saying,

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Mackenzie, which came back with a report that said

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that we'll need about, I think it was $1 billion a year

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: at the time, this is quite a while ago,

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: to address homelessness.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like saying, well, Mackenzie, how dare they say

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: that the city needs to be spending a billion dollars

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: a year?

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just stating a fact.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The five-year plan that was ultimately adopted

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't have any of that in it

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and it didn't ask for additional money

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: from the city or the county.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it's a disingenuous talking point.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would just point to the fact

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that when the $12 billion plan first

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever we're gonna call it,

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the $12 billion five-year wish list

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever we're gonna call it came out,

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: we did an episode of Seattle Nice about it.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: My recollection is that we both criticized it

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: as sort of politically tone deaf

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and kind of, you know.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, agreed.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, likely to.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But depended on a city council candidate

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: who worked on sub area planning for an organization

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: of at the time, I mean, at least dozens of people.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It just seems a little weak sauce-sandy,

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: but I mean, it just feels like

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: a kind of irrelevant talking point at best then.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Alexis takes credit for being the lead

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: or one of the lead authors

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: of that $12 billion effort

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that landed with a thud

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think at one point we agreed

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: was politically tone deaf and problematic.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think Tanya's saying

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: it's politically tone deaf.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think her point is that Alexis wanted the city

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: or somebody to spend $12 billion

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and that was never the proposal.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I don't think we need to get bogged down on this.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know,

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Tanya's point on encampments,

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you said that was strong.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she, her answer showed

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that she didn't really quite understand

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: what we are doing with encampments.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, she talked about how they offered them housing

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and they do all this stuff.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And that, you know,

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: they, that it's incredibly rare

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to do obstruction encampments,

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: removals, things like that.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just didn't hear a lot of familiarity

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: with what the specifics of encampment removals are.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would expect that in a council candidate period

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: because you're gonna be discussing that issue.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that that answer in particular

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: was pretty muddled.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess if you were high level,

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: you could say Tanya is supportive

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: of the mayor's policy toward encampments

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and, you know, and Alexis is not,

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but I don't think that you need a debate

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to get at that high level distinction.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So some disagreement about,

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, how well each of them did,

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but some broad agreement that perhaps Alexis did

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit better.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Sandeep, you...

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I think you're putting words in my,

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you're saying...

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So you think Tanya did better,

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: so why did Tanya do better?

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm, you know, what I'm saying is,

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: what I'm saying is, yeah, it's kind of a watch.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Both of them avoided any kind of tough questions.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Both of them, neither of them took any opportunity

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to kind of...

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right, if that's your point.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Then my question is, so here we are,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: we're getting close, it's October 4th today,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: we're taping, so this thing is coming to a conclusion

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: just like the terrifying presidential race.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This one somewhat left terrifying,

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but we had the debate, does it matter?

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the second debate in this race.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, where do you think things are headed?

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Sandeep Koushik.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's gonna be a lot

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to watch for in the next month, right?

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We're a month away basically from election day

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, there's chatter out there

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: about IE's coming together.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, is the outside money gonna flow?

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Is labor gonna spend?

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this progressive IE that's formed, right?

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: With some folks that say they're gonna raise

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: a bunch of money and spend it on Alexis.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Is the business community gonna play

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: or are they gonna play in a big way?

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think there's a lot

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that is gonna shake out in the next week or two really.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That is gonna kind of give us some sense

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: of the contours of the races we had in the home stretch.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna be super curious to watch this all play out.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Erica C. Barnett, you get the last word.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also interested in the PACs and the IE's,

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but not for the same reason as Sandeep.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I find outside spending interesting

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of times they can say stuff

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that the campaigns themselves will not or cannot say.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But apart from that, I mean, we are looking

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: at a candidate, Alexis Rink,

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: who came through with more than half of the vote

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: in the primary.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know Sandeep has a theory and you know,

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll see if he's proven correct

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: that general election voters are sometimes

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: more conservative than primary election voters.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And thus, you know, somehow swing

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: that 12 something point difference

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: or about 12 point difference for Tanya Wu.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big gap to make up.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And it, you know, I think that Alexis is going

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: into this with a lot of strength.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And if she, whichever one wins,

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll have to run all over again in another year.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't imagine how exhausting

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that would be for Tanya who ran and lost

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and then got appointed and is now running

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and then would have to run another year.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Like honestly, I can't imagine doing that myself,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: but whichever one it is,

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: is gonna have to do it all over again in a year.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I hope you do it someday, Erica.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still looking forward to it.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it for another edition of Seattle Nice.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: She is Erica C Barnett.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He's Sandeep Kaushik.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David Hyde.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Our editor is Quinn Waller.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're the listeners.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for listening.